The Indiana Jones fanbase may not be as huge as Star Wars fandom but they are legion. Summer of 2023 saw the last "Indiana Jones" movie to be released, at least with Harrison Ford. It may have divided fans but the fans steadfastly remain fans. Call it loyalty, call it pure love for a 40-year-old franchise. It was a real pleasure to talk about Indy lore with a fellow Indiana Jones superfan who is quite loyal to this franchise and started a Youtube channel discussing all matters related to Indy. I bring you, Kevin Shirka.
AN INTERVIEW WITH
By Jerry Saravia
1.) So Mr. Shirka, when did you first become an Indiana Jones fan? I can always assume Raiders of the Lost Ark is where every fan starts but some have begun with Crystal Skull.
"Like so many of us it began with a seminal bonding moment. My parents rented the VHS tapes when my sister and I were very young and we watched them together. We had a great time watching them and my dad's constant rewinding to rewatch Belloq's drunk laugh became a legendary memory. That was in the early to mid 90s.
Then somewhere around 1999 I was home from school on a sick day and caught Last Crusade on TV. I had forgotten what a terrific movie it was! In the years leading up to that I had become a massive James Bond and Star Wars fan, and Indy had the best of both! I started renting the films over and over, and bought up all the comic books I could find on Ebay. I would scour the various Indiana Jones fan websites and joined communities like The Raven forum on TheRaider.net."
2.) What do you find appealing about Indiana Jones overall?
"First and foremost, they are just terrific movies in every way! Spielberg is a truly magical filmmaker and he put a lot of care into the crafting of these films. The music by John Williams is spectacular and you can't help but get excited whenever you hear it. Harrison Ford's portrayal is perfect! The swagger and the grumpiness were perfectly suited for the character. And supporting characters like Sean Connery contributed some phenomenal work as well. Plus you have the creativity of George Lucas. Like I said, it was the best of Star Wars and the best of James Bond
A little more specifically, it's that spirit of adventure, danger, discovery, justice, plus a touch of the mysterious and supernatural without ever going too far. It had villains who were easy to hate but, thanks to the humor of the films, they never became too frightening. There's a theme of world-traveling and open-mindedness toward other cultures. There's a touch of religious unity because various beliefs are represented and all of them are represented as true. It's about preserving history and it makes that feel really important."
3.) Who is your favorite leading lady from the films?
"All of them were terrific in their own way, but I'd be remiss to not say Karen Allen. Marion is the perfect balance of feminine and tough resiliency. She has a fun energy about her but has also been damaged. And her relationship journey with Indy is impactful and resonant. When I first saw the film and you think she died in the explosion in Cairo...it hit me hard, but Indy finds her alive and it's a huge relief as all that energy pours back into the film. And Karen Allen's portrayal of her is just wonderful! You can't help but love her! I was glad to see her return in subsequent works but neither of them really reached the potential of reprising that role.
I feel like I should also mention Alison Doody as Elsa Schneider. She's a complex, gray area character that was perfectly suited for an Indiana Jones movie."
4.) Lend me your thoughts on the Young Indiana Jones TV series - do you think the educational approach worked overall since they are not on the same level as escapism and thrills and chills as the movies?
"I love the series! It's such a fascinating concept that each episode makes up a step of his journey from child to the man we know in the films as we jump from one month to the next. And interacting with historical figures and events is very interesting, allowing viewers to relate to a time period that doesn't often come up in popular culture. Every episode is unique. You have Curse of the Jackal and Treasure of the Peacock's Eye which are like Indiana Jones movies, you have comedic episodes like Barcelona 1917, horror episodes like where Indy fights Dracula - there's the great episode where Indy and his dad bond in Greece, and I could go on and on.
But the educational aspects taking precedent over the thrilling style of the movies is in hindsight an obvious error. The lack of John Williams' Raiders March and of Harrison Ford in all but one episode hurt the show's chances as well. I think there was a lot of excitement for the show but it wasn't quite what people wanted out of an Indiana Jones work and the series was cancelled before it was able to get to the good stuff. There were unmade episodes where Indy was going to meet Abner Ravenwood and Rene Belloq for the first time, and who knows what else if it had gotten to 4 or 5 seasons. Such a shame because it was a pretty great show and was building toward connecting with the Harrison Ford movies. But, as it is, you reach the end of Hollywood Follies and Young Indy's journey abruptly ends, leaving a huge gap where we don't get to see him become an archeologist."
5.) When did you start the Indiana Jones Nerd youtube page? Have you developed a fanbase based on your youtube channel?
"I launched it in 2021, just as the first casting announcements were made for Indiana Jones 5, which included Mads Mikkelsen and Phoebe Waller-Bridge. I had seen Star Wars Youtube channels rise to prominence around 2015 and felt like I really missed the boat because I would have loved doing something like that. When I looked around, there really wasn't anyone doing a big Indiana Jones YouTube channel and I felt like I would be the perfect person to be that guy. It was such an exciting time following the production of the new film, it was like a dream come true seeing it come together and it felt like anything was possible. I had really high expectations for the film and I did enjoy many aspects of it like the WW2 sequences, but there was definitely something I wish had been different like the killing off of Mutt and making Indy a lonely depressed person, I thought those filmmaking choices were in poor taste. The film would have been much better if it was directed by Steven Spielberg, but it is what it is.
I posted updates on the production of the film practically every day in 2021 and also gained a ton of subscribers from my fan edits of the Young Indiana Jones movies. I have done a ton of different types of videos like a documentary on the making of Indiana Jones 5, video game gameplays, interviews, motion comics, all kinds of things. It's been a lot of fun! I tend to drift in and out in terms of consistency but recently I have been posting short informative videos almost every day and people love it! Currently I am at 40-thousand subscribers and climbing. Sometimes I meet people at events and they thank me for keeping them up to speed with all the Indy news. I invests thousands and thousands of hours into the channel and usually don't really make any money from it - sometimes just a dollar or 2 per day. I can't stop myself because I love talking about Indiana Jones, providing whatever content I can for my fellow fans, and hopefully do whatever I can to promote the brand and hope for Disney to realize that there is a market for new content."
6.) The Abner Ravenwood series was cancelled before it even became developed. Do you think the era of Indiana Jones is over or is there a chance that a spin-off could come to fruition?
"This is a great question. We certainly are at a crossroads with the franchise right now. Harrison Ford is adamant that he won't play Indy again, but it's a great brand and I'm sure Disney would be happy to continue it in some way. I'm certain we have not seen the end of this franchise, but the how and when are hard to say. The extremely obvious thing to do is to make an animated show, it's shocking that they have not done this already. It would do so much for the brand to generate interest among kids, I mean, can you imagine if they had made such a show 5-10 years ago? A whole generation of kids would have rushed to the theater to see DIal of Destiny. If they decide to one day do a cartoon, it should be in a hand-drawn art style. There's a great fan cartoon by Patrick Schoenmaker from 2016 that looks perfect. Paul Dini of Batman the animated series also mentioned many years ago that he would love to do an Indy cartoon. Can you imagine in that art style? It would be so good!
And beyond that, there are still a lot of stories that could be told in live action. Why not do a Short Round spinoff while Ke Huy Quan is at the height of his popularity? The opportunities are there to do something great. It would be great to see other characters get their own spin-offs but I doubt it will happen because Indiana Jones is the character people want to see. I personally would love to see Indy be recast at some point. I know that's sacrilege for some people because Harrison Ford is unreplaceable, but the character of Indy is just too good to lock away forever.
Obviously we are about to get the new video game Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, plus a new amusement park ride in Florida. These are a great start, and I don't believe it could be the end. It seems to me like Dial of Destiny was the beginning of brand revival, at least I hope so because I love this franchise. I think Great Circle is going to be an amazing game (it's from Machine Games who made the highly celebrated Wolfenstein games) and I hope it will be popular enough to lead to more Indiana Jones video games."
7.) I know that you attended the L.A. premiere of "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" and met John Rhys Davies. Tell me about that exchange, and any other Indy cast members you either met briefly or other Indy fans?
"What an amazing day that was! I've never been to a red carpet event and am eternally grateful to have been part of that. First of all, it was such a pleasure to meet the Indiana Jones fans from around the world that I had been interacting with online since 2021; like Marco Vendramini of Italy, Alex Arnold of Florida, and the guys from Indy Cast. It just felt right having all of these Indiana Jones fans together and felt more like a beginning than an end. This is part of why I launched Indiana Jones International this year, which is a supergroup uniting the various regional fan grounds and content creators. We hope to organize international events such as an Indiana Jones Celebration which will bring everyone together again. But also we want use this fandom to show Disney and Lucasfilm that there is a market for more Indiana Jones content. Why have we not had an Indiana Jones comic book in 15 years? I don't think it's so much to ask that we get an new Indy adventure in some format every year. Thankfully we also have California Jones and the Fortune and Glory Tour in San Francisco organized by Eugene Shin. I have made some great friendships with people at those events and always have a fun time hanging out with them.
Back to the Red Carpet now. I was invited in part because of my YouTube channel but also because I could cosplay as Sallah. I always associated with him because he's Middle-Eastern like me and is full of heart! John Rhys-Davies was the first person on the Red Carpet and my friend Bryan Rohrenbacher pointed me out to him to make sure he knew about the Sallah cosplayer. John came right over and shook my hand while we had a memorable exchange. He's such a charming and delightful man! He was one of the only people to leave the red carpet to greet fans across the street including my dad. I have seen him meet with so many fans at conventions and he is always energetic and charming.
I also got a selfie with Harrison Ford, and every moment from that red carpet felt like a dream but especially this one. I called out to him to pose for a selfie and he looked right at me and warmly smiled while I took the photo. I can't express how grateful I am that he did that. The photo is a treasure to me. He famously likes his privacy but he is happy to see his genuine fans. It means so much to me that I got to share my excitement with him in that moment. Another great photo I was in had Academy-Award winner Ke Huy Quan standing right in front of me, another very charming and lovable fellow. That photo was taken by a professional photographer and Ke posted it to his Instagram! I grabbed a quick picture with Karen Allen, but wanted to give more time to the young ladies next to me to interact with her because they were very excited. I also got to meet and take pictures with the entire cast of Dial; Mads Mikkelsen, Boyd Holbrook, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Thomas Kretschmann, Oliver Richters. Amazing interacting with Alaa Safi and Ethann Isidore, who recognized me from my youtube channel. I met James Mangold, Kathleen Kennedy, Frank Marshall, and many others. Steven Spielberg and George Lucas also passed by but it was tough to get their attention, they didn't interact with the fans too much, but it was amazing that I got to see from from just a few feet away. And when John Williams appeared on stage for a surprise concert it was such a treat! Another person I had the pleasure of meeting a month earlier was sound designer Ben Burtt. A bunch of us were dressed as Indy at a cafe in San Anselmo and people kept stopping by the talk to us. This nice man started a conversation with me and my friend and after a moment I recognized him from the various documentaries I had seen over the years. That was a really great moment realizing I was talking to the legend behind some of cinema's greatest sound effects."
8.) What is your favorite Indy flick and your least favorite?
"Raiders is my favorite film. It's perfect. The intro is just perfect, every scene is perfect. The truck chase, the ending, every step along that way is just captivating as you have the best people and ideas from Star Wars, James Bond, and Spielberg and his people joining forces to make a timeless movie that never gets old. Last Crusade was originally my favorite but has slipped to third for me lately, though it's a brilliant movie and every time I watch it, I can feel that it's the best. All 3 of the originals are 10 out of 10 films for me. Temple of Doom also has that classic adventure feel that Last Crusade is lacking in some ways. I love the opening in Shanghai and looming mystery and the entire last 40 minutes or so is just sheer Indiana Jones goodness!
As for least favorite, it's really hard to say. I go back and forth. On the one hand you have Crystal Skull which has a great first half and overall a better Indiana Jones tone, but there are a lot of little things that feel silly, like the CGI chase with all the monkeys and the whole 'triple agent' thing with Mac that didn't work at all. Then you have Dial of Destiny where we get to see Indy during WW2 and some fun moments like the Tuk Tuk Chase and traveling to ancient Syracuse, but the tone of the film doesn't do it for me. Not all heroes need to be given a depressing later life to make then interesting in a sequel, and honestly it comes off as lazy writing. And like I said earlier, killing Mutt off was in poor taste. People want to go to these movies to have a great time, not to be miserable. So I suppose I like Crystal Skull a little bit more than Dial of Destiny, but I go back and forth on this issue."
9.) Finally, what other cinematic interests do you have? Any other franchises, or certain films that hold your attention that have nothing to do with genre?
"My other favorite movie besides Raiders of the Lost Ark is Vertigo. Coincidentally my hotel for last week's media event for Indiana Jones and the Great Circle was right next door to a few filming locations from Vertigo. I love Hitchcock films and have watched many of them with my dad. I also love James Bond, Star Wars, Alien, Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park. So many, I love movies so much. Another particular genre of adventure I enjoy is Jules Verne movies, particularly the 1950s-1960s cycle of films based off his work."










