An Interview with Danny Peary:
From the Silver Screen to our National Pastime
By Jerry Saravia
Danny Peary - The Cult Movies author himself
Being a pre-teen in the early 1980’s, I regarded cinema as pure escapism. Discovering Universal
Monster Movies such as “Dracula” with Bela Lugosi and any of the “Frankenstein” and “The Wolf Man” pictures from the 1930s and ‘40s on PBS was about as adventurous as a preliminary filmgoer as I got. At the public library, I discovered “Cult Movies,” written in 1981 by Danny Peary (along with J.
Hoberman’s “Midnight Movies”), and suddenly my cinematic landscape not only opened, it pretty
much burst at the seams. There were Peary’s long, opinionated essays on mainstream and classic films,
such as “Enter the Dragon” and “Rio Bravo,” but there was also David Lynch’s signature debut film
“Eraserhead” (a mind-opening reality that will literally shake your world), Hal Ashby’s brilliantly crude and equally humanistic “Harold and Maude,” John Waters’ champion of bad taste “Pink Flamingos,”
and Werner Herzog’s “Aguirre, The Wrath of God”and other oddities that pissed off my father (which
was a sign of my rebellion). Peary’s three “Cult Movies” volumes (the first volume is now celebrating its 35th anniversary) elicited readers’ curiosity about films that challenged and broke the rules,
and took us along as he explored something deeper within the crevices that made them different and
appealing. Peary wrote about these films with such passion and cunning attention to detail that it made
me think I could possibly write a critique about films as well. He opened a whole world I had slowly but surely discovered. Frankly, had it not been for him, I doubt that my whole family would have watched “Eraserhead” and contemplated its meaning and obscenely nightmarish images.
And for all his books on “Cult Movies” (including“-Cult Movie Stars”), in addition, he wrote “Guide
for the Film Fanatic” (which has reviews of over 1650 films) and “Alternate Oscars” which has
Peary’s yearly alternate Oscar choices for films from 1927 through 1991. Peary has also focused on
another subject of appreciation: sports, especially a love for baseball. A noted baseball historian,
Peary is the writer-researcher on the long-running national sports interview television program “The
Tim McCarver Show,” and also has written three books with McCarver. Peary also collaborated
with baseball Hall of Famer Ralph Kiner on his autobiography, “Baseball Forever,” and co-wrote
“Roger Maris: Baseball’s Reluctant Hero” and “Gil Hodges: The Brooklyn Bums, The Miracle Mets and the Extraordinary Life of a Baseball Legend.” Most recent collaborations include working with Shannon Miller, an Olympic gold medalist and cancer survivor, on her memoir, “It’s Not About Perfect.” His newest book is “Jackie Robinson in Quotes: The Remarkable Life of Baseball’s Most Significant Player” featuring 3,000 quotes either about Robinson or by Robinson. So prepare to discover not only about Peary’s love for the silver screen but also for those bright shining stars from our national pastime.

1.) The Cult Movies Books have been major inspirations for me personally. I have seen many of the
films you shared your thoughts on, some of which are my favorite films of all time. What essentially
makes a film cult-ish because you have mentioned that they are not necessarily box-office hits but
rather films that are beyond the norm or the mainstream?
Danny Peary: "Over time there have been non-Hollywood filmmakers, mostly outside of the U.S. but independent writer-directors (from John Cassavetes to Ed Wood), who intentionally made movies that were so different (out-of-the-mainstream) and/or personal and/or controversial that cult status, rather than box office success, was the most one could hope for. But in truth, with very few exceptions, nobody
sets out to make a “cult movie.” By now we can recognize instantly that some out-the-mainstream
films will become “cult movies”--we can say “that film has the “look” of a cult movie--but we never
can be sure which films will disappear over time and which will be embraced by a rabid following and
kept in circulation and as part of our movie discussion, essential viewing for film fanatics. And with
these films, it doesn’t matter if they were initially mainstream films--certainly “Casablanca,” “Rebel
Without a Cause,” “The Quiet Man,” “Sunset Boulevard,” “Some Like It Hot,” “Psycho” and even
“The Wizard of Oz”-were originally made for the mass audience, but now enjoy the cult status of
midnight movies like “The Rocky Horror Picture Show,” “Eraserhead,” “El Topo,” “The Harder They
Come,” and the current “The Room.” What unites all these movies I personally have called cult movies is that their fans see them repeatedly wherever they play and have the need to spread the word about them--whatever their genres, these are the films that can be written and talked about in relation to their fans. There is a communal element."
2.) Why did you specifically choose Cult Movies as a basis for three books plus a book on Cult Movie
Stars?
D.P: "Many of the films I wrote about were personal favorites, including those that I have seen countless times since I was a kid - “The Searchers,” “Rebel Without a Cause,” “Land of the Pharaohs,” “Tarzan and His Mate,” “King Kong,” “Psycho.” I was part of their cults. But even those films I wasn’t crazy about I felt were important to other people and significant in movie history. I was also curious about exploring the midnight movie phenomenon of the time. My advantage as a critic was that I grew up loving all kinds of movies, from low budget noir and horror/sf films to silent and foreign films to highbrow critical favorites like “Citizen Kane,” so I could write about all kinds of movies with equal respect and expertise. I wanted to bring a seemingly diverse group of into one book and show their connection (their rabid followings). I guess my contribution was creating a new genre: Cult Movies."
2a.) What would you classify as a cult movie now? In the last twenty years?
D.P: The biggest change is that while filmmakers still don’t intend to make cult movies, independent
filmmakers who submit their films to festivals are desperate for word-of-mouth and are so delighted
when their films achieve any kind of cult status.
3.) Any cult films you would’ve loved to have critiqued in a new volume, given the opportunity?
D.P: "I am thinking Robert Altman’s often overlooked “Brewster McCloud.” I burnt out on writing essays on movies after “Guide for the Film Fanatic” and “Alternate Oscars” so I no longer have the urge to share my feelings about any particular films (though of course I still always tell younger film fans and filmmakers what movies I suggest they see), although I wish there were already-written chapters out there on such films as “The Big Lebowski,” “Bonnie and Clyde,” “Dirty Harry,” “Fight Club,” and many horror films. I am curious what I would have written."
4.) Are there any cult films you were dismissive of, such as “A Clockwork Orange,” that you feel differently about now?
D.P: "I am not dismissive of it, I think it’s an important film and urge everyone to see it. But as a big Kubrick fan, I just have problems with it, as I do with “The Shining,” which has a huge cult following."
5.) Why did you stop writing “Cult Movie” books?
D.P: "As I wrote above, I burnt out writing about movies and felt I was starting to repeat myself when I did “Alternate Oscars” because I was giving my awards to movies that I’d already written long essays about in the Cult Movies series. I also felt the movie world changed and I would no longer be helping people discover movies (I think a sense of discovery is essential for a movie to achieve cult status) but
just writing about films they already saw. I also feel frustrated with new generations of so-called
cinephiles and even critics who refuse to see any pre-1990 movies. That’s why I am very pleased
Workman Publishing assembled 3 e-book volumes taking about 100 chapters from my cult movie
books. I would like young moviegoers who never bought my books to seek out the Midnight Movies,
Crime Movies, and Horror Movies ebooks."
6.) How did you first get involved as writer-researcher on the television interview show, “The Tim
McCarver Show”?
D.P: "My childhood passions were movies, sports, television, and rock ‘n’ roll, so I’m lucky to have written about all of them. Tim McCarver and I are sharing our 30th anniversary of working together. We were represented by the same broadcast agency and started working together in 1986 when he was the analyst on the New York Mets, initially collaborating on a daily radio commentary show. And we stayed together doing various projects including our first two books together in the late 1990s, “Tim
McCarver’s Baseball for Brain Surgeons and Other Fans” and “The Perfect Season.” Then we did a
radio interview show that in the early 2000s evolved into the TV sports interview show that still exists
today. I write the scripts and provide him with the research so he can come up with questions for the
guests. Our third book together, “Tim McCarver’s Diamond Gems,” takes excerpts from interviews
with baseball guests over the years, from Willie Mays, Sandy Koufax, and Hank Aaron, to Derek
Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and more current players. So I live in two worlds--sports and movies (although I
don’t write essays I still do Q&A’s with movie talent for FilmInk (Aus) and “Danny Peary on Film” at Sag Harbor Express Online.)"
7.) You have written several books on baseball and I am wondering what it is about baseball that fascinates you, particularly as a baseball historian.
D.P: "That’s too difficult a question to answer but I can say that movies and baseball in particular made my youth so much fun. There was always a thrill watching a movie or a game or opening a pack of baseball cards. My childhood baseball idol Vic Power was outside of my family the most important person of my youth. (And I’m still astonished that I met him when I was an adult when I decided to assemble a baseball book, “Cult Baseball Players,” that would allow me to approach him.) As a baseball fan/historian, just as I am as a movie fan/historian, I try to spread my enthusiasm to others and let everyone know that each game of baseball and its entire history is so much better the more you know about it. It all tells a great story."
7a.) And what can we learn from your new book on Jackie Robinson, “Jackie Robinson in Quotes:
The Remarkable Life of Baseball’s Most Significant Player”?
D.P: "I assembled between 2,500 and 3,000 quotes either about Jackie Robinson or by Jackie Robinson, from books, interviews, speeches, columns, letters, college yearbooks, cereal boxes, baseball
cards, and videos to take readers through his life chronologically (1919 to 1972) and onward to today
when he is celebrated more than ever. I thought I knew everything before undertaking this enormous
project, and I learned so much, so I have no doubt that readers will be surprised by what they read.
One thing that surprised me was his tremendous fame as a football player at UCLA in 1939 and 1940.
He was written about across the country in the New York Times. Yet we have always been told
that when Dodgers president and general manager Branch Rickey signed him to be the first black in major league baseball in 1945 that he didn’t really know who Jackie was other than he starred in the Negro Leagues that year. It surprised me that Jackie did so well in the Negro Leagues with Kansas City after not having played baseball in five years! The big surprise to me was that Jackie didn’t die so young only because of the years of abuse he experienced as the majors’ first black ballplayer and diabetes, but equally because of what he went through after his career ended as a relentless crusader for social justice, integration leading to equal opportunity, elevated economic status, political clout, and first-class citizenship for all blacks in America. He was right there with Martin Luther King on the frontlines and his battle continued throughout his life - and it took a tremendous toll. Robinson is honored today for his contributions to baseball that led to social change, but exactly his role in the civil rights movement and why he is so relevant today is lost on many people. I hope this book will confirm what a remarkable person he was."
8.) I noticed that a documentary about the influence of your film books exists or is in development. Are
you involved in this project?
"I have never met the person doing this documentary, Brian Sauer, but he did a phone interview with
me for a fanzine several years ago. He told me he was doing this project and I have provided him with
contact information for a number of filmmakers who have said my books influenced their careers.
He has interviewed a number of people on his own, which can be found online. He has been working
on this for several years so I’m skeptical it will ever be done, but he insists it’s a work-in-progress. It’s
flattering and a bit embarrassing at the same time. But it his HIS film, not mine."